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From: [e-mail] (George Noel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: The March Amiga?
Date: 20 Jan 1996 13:28:03 GMT
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In article <4dm3b4$[e-mail]>,
Byron Montgomerie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>George Noel ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: >I was commenting on the time you said it would be done in.  Where did you see
>: >this mentioned btw?
>
>: On THIS newsgroup had you been reading the messages from someone who was
>: talking directly to Dr. P. K. who said Paula was old technology and was
>
>Not everyone reads every message in every newgroup George. :)  "Could be done"

I know, neither do I, which is why I was pointing this out to some people
who didn't see the reference.

>: >Even if the chip were that inexpensive, sending it off to a technician to
>: >install it would easily triple the price in shipping and labour. (CDN)
>
>: Granted that was just off the top of my head, it would probably be more
>: then that price starting off and I wasn't assuming you had to send it off
>: to a technician to do it (see, basing your opinion on your narrowmind
>: view/experiences) as there are still technicians in town that worked on
>
>Not a lot of people doing surface mount work in town, George.  Labour costs
>alone would make it many times as expensive as a 16 bit sound card for the PC.

We are not talking about a PC, end of story.

>8 bit though.  It is around $140 CDN for an AWE32.  Why not just put in the ISA
>bus and use these cards?  Why spend resources developing something that already
>exists?  At the very least use the same chips if you want a standard.

If they can do it better then do it and try and establish that as a
standard (albeit too late for the Amiga now for the overall industry)
especially if they can do it cheaper.

>: Amigas in the past or if you supply instructions on how to install it to
>: any technician they could do it also if people couldn't do it themselves.
>: Installing one chip is not that expensive at a dealer Byron especially
>: when warranty concerns are in question.
>
>You have no experience with the a1200 and the use of SMD in it.

Yes I do and what does my experience have to do with dealers and/or
technicians?  AT and SMG have stated anyways they would rather replace
then repair so if you bought a new computer from them and it is still
under warranty and if the SMD(s) was too time consuming/cost too much to
replace, they could get you a new motherboard instead.

>: >Enough to drag people from machines which already have 16 bit as the low end
>: >standard with 32 bit as a coming standard?
>
>: No, I am talking about new blood, offering the same at a cheaper price. I
>
>Show me the cheaper price and I will be happy.

I am talking cheaper overall product not individual technologies.
Neither I or anyways else can show you a cheaper price.. yet.

>: What are you talking about?  Why would someone have to compare a new
>: Amiga to an old one? If it is a new buyer, then who cares about the old
>
>If they don't do that they will compare it with a PC assuming they don't do
>that anyway.

Exactly, thus my comments on PC users still thinking Amiga 8 bit sounds
better then PC 16 bit as the Amiga sound is implemented better, imagine
what they would say when the Amiga gets 16 bit sound.

>: Yeah external SCSI port, which I am not opposed to but the choice of say
>: the ZIP drive for removable and writable media as standard is not so
>: beneficial right now especially in the low end which you and I would be
>: using starting off anyways.  I wouldn't mind the external floppy only
>
>I would buy a zip drive if the amiga had a scsi port.  I only use floppies for
>games and backing up bits of my hard drive.

So does everyone else with a similar setup if not more.

The OCS Amigas had a SCSI port if expanded or depending on what variation
you had, same goes for the ECS Amigas and the A1200 or A4000t could have
SCSI if expanded, not standard I know, but the option was still there if
you wanted to use it.
> I am against maintaining the floppy as the only other alternative boot
> device to a Hard Drive.

Obviously AT will be taking this into consideration in the future Amiga
models and letting the user decide more on which removable, writable
media they want to use but as of right now, the ZIP drive isn't standard
enough and raises software prices.  Floppies are still important as a low
cost means of software distribution and transfering data from one
computer to another.  I own a C64 and an Amiga, they use floppy drives,
I've used MACs and PCs, they all use floppies, Double Density and High
Density.  I still regularly use floppies even though I have a hard drive,
I was working at a place over the summer with 486s in the office and
though the larger programs like Word Perfect were stored on the Hard
Drive, there was never an end for the need of floppies transferring data
from one drive to another drive on one computer or from one computer to
another computer.  Funny, I didn't see any Zip drives around. :)

>alternative boot device to a hard drive.  You are too floppy oriented, only
>natural since that is the only medium you really know.

You aren't going to stop are you?  Please keep any specific references,
however outdated they may be, off the net please?  I do not base my
opinions/suggestions soley on my personal setups anyways.  The PC
software is wrote moreso with a Hard Drive in mind, Amiga software, a
majority of it anyways, is wrote assuming floppies and if you have a Hard
Drive it is a bonus, this of course is changing.  Anyone with a Hard
Drive is only logical to use floppies less but not rule them out entirely.

>: >Every time I listen to a CD.  That is not the point, 16 bit sound takes up room
>: >and games barely use 8 bit.  The amiga is not a CD player anyway.
>
>: more then likely where the low end Amiga is going in the future anyways.
>
>Then where is the internal floppy supposed to go?  You can't have both in the
>low end.

You could have both but it would cost more and from the hints going
around here, they could be ditching it and having it as an add-on
anyways.  I hope not, but if they do, they should at least provide a Hard
Drive alongside the CD-ROM drive otherwise they are dooming the A1200+ to
be a games machine  If they do this, it will kill the Amigas image as a
generic computer and would break easily copying files from disk to disk
from computer to computer which aided emulators and ease of transfer of data.

>: Why are you being computer specific? A hard drive is a hard drive no
>: matter what computer you are using it on.. on my hard drive I have Amiga
>
>I think most people would say there is quite a difference between using a hard
>drive on a c64 and using one with a computer. :)

Byron, the C64 is a computer whether it is below you or not.  There is no
difference from using a Hard Drive on the C64 then it is on the Amiga or
PC or MAC or whathaveyou.  It still works basically the same though the
drive I am using on the C64 is smarter then any drive on the PC or Amiga
- I can't even say that as it too is available for those computers so
what point are you trying to make?  This drive provides more space
(seemingly) on the C64 as the files are smaller thus you can store more,
I can use it on the PC and Amiga and it behaves like any Hard Drive is
meant to. Even with that Hard Drive, I still use floppies. As I said
before the PC is designed to use Hard Drives more, a Hard Drive on the
Amiga is a bonus (this is changing) and it is only logical that anyone
with a Hard Drive will use floppies less but not rule them out.

>Incredible. :)  A c64 is only technically a computer at all.  The point is that
>you are barely an amiga user at all and not much of a computer user in general.
>You are experienced in running a BBS and know lots of trivia about this and
>that but you don't have much experience with using a computer and even less
>about using an amiga.

I am not going to even bother to comment.  Obviously you do not know me
and whatever you did know about me is so outdated it is not funny and
everyone starts out doing little with their computers so stop playing
"mine is bigger then yours", "I can do more then what you can do" - every
Amiga user has their own uses for the Amiga, if everyone had to limit
themselves to doing the same things on a computer, the industry wouldn't
get very far. Please stop commenting on YOUR perceived image of me on the
net... it is irrelevant to the discussions.

>: Byron, you did the same thing with your A1000 and could do little else as
>: you never expanded it past 512k.  I did nothing else but play games huh?
>
>I was compiling C programs on that thing, the more fool you. :)  I used it

And constantly complained about it due to lack of memory and only being
able to compile very short programs but I am not getting into anymore
personal references, it serves no real purpose in the conversation.

>mainly for a terminal, that is what I bought it for.  Just for those

Your purposes is your choice.  If you did not want to expand the
hardware, that doesn't mean no one else doesn't want to or is any less
for doing so.

>still paying attention, George is now using the same A1000 I had.  Instead of

So what?  I did more with it as I chose to.

>adding ram to an obsolete computer I bought another sightly less obsolete
>computer, an a500. After adding a hard drive, extra ram, and an adspeed to it I
>sold it for my a1200 with hard drive.  I bought a ram card (4 Megs) for it and
>I contemplating getting another hard drive.

You just described practically every A1200 owner out there Byron.. what
makes you so special by pointing this out? Every low end Amiga user
starts out similar, again an example of "I can do more then you" or "mine
is better then yours".  Personally I never thought you were so biased,
prejudiced and cold hearted when it came to computers and its users,
especially of the same brand name.

>: Little that you know!
>
>Sorry, ran old demos and edited text files. :)

Again, not even going to comment to the ones not in the know and your
fascination with old twisted references amazes me, why you think this gives
you the upper hand I do not know, your line of thinking has everyone
doing the same things with their Amigas which is not what made it great.

>: Can you not take a hint that this extra dribble you are adding to
>: messages is not wanted here nor have you any right to comment on my
>: personal life on the world internet?
>
>I wasn't aware the fact that your main computer is a c64 entailed your
>personal life. :)  I have read more details of people personal lives on web
>pages.

Good, mine is not there, nor will it ever be and the net does not need to
know anything about my current setups or past setups or my uses for
computers to make my opinions or suggestions valid or invalid.  If it
does, then that is not for you to decide for everypone, and funny, it is
only you complaining and making a big deal out of my knowledge.

>Anyway, it was an apropriate response to a guy berating someone about loyalty
>to the amiga from someone who has never really used one.

HAR! I'm using mine right now Byron.. what are you using? HAR! :)

-=*George*=-